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RAD

I dunno Tom, Dan Gilmor's article seems quite insightful. Cheerleading journalists are the problem and activist journalists are the solution.

It is all "reasonably obvious to anyone who was paying attention.." don't you see.

Besides, with Obama in power we should see an end to cheerleading journalism once and for all. Yeah activists!!!

Seth Finkelstein

Dan Gillmor is an interesting A-lister. He's not a journalist anymore. He left the field years ago, for the data-mines, as there was user-generated gold in them their hills (in particular, he was an "angel investor" in Jimmy Wales's commercial wiki company Wikia!). He's had a couple of enlightening experiences in doing those digital plantations, err, I mean start-ups, and written some very intriguing articles.

The problem is not his status as "outsider" for journalism, but where's he's an "insider" :-(

TPM is "indy" media. Boingboing is just media.

tomslee

RAD, Seth - Thanks for the comments on DG. I will see if I can read a little more. Of course, the post was not so much about DG himself, more about the outside/maverick/contrarian posture that many commentators adopt (I'm not immune either).

RAD

Hmmmm... insider or outsider. What would you call a recluse that enjoys the outdoors?

I think my only take-away from the Gillmore article is this:

One man's cheerleader is another man's activist.

I wish I had Gillmor's insight into the "obvious" journalistic dereliction of duty. Rather than simply being contrarian, perhaps a list of article headlines that should have been written is in order. I wish I had seen/read this red flag:

2001 - Majority Shareholder Berkshire Hathaway Dumps Freddie & Fannie Holdings

Seth Finkelstein

Understood, but Dan's not really a good case of the posture (the problem with his piece in specific is that it's very easy to inveigh against other people to do the high-risk low-reward job).

Here's a good place to start reading more about his lessons:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070202164112/http://bayosphere.com/blog/dan_gillmor/20060124/from_dan_a_letter_to_the_bayosphere_community">http://bayosphere.com/blog/dan_gillmor/20060124/from_dan_a_letter_to_the_bayosphere_community">http://web.archive.org/web/20070202164112/http://bayosphere.com/blog/dan_gillmor/20060124/from_dan_a_letter_to_the_bayosphere_community

Though not so much a lesson -- we were very clear on this going in -- it bears repeating that a business model can't say, "You do all the work and we'll take all the money, thank you very much." There must be clear incentives for participation, and genuine incentives require resources.

[But he's running with a crowd - or more accurately, an elite - that very much likes that business model]

Phil

I'm an outsider.

Yeah, right. With your debate with whatsisfaceTim O'Reilly and your Technorati rank of um33... (I don't know, is that low? high? do you count up or down?)

Me, I'm such an outsider I don't even update my blog as often as you do! And I'll tell you what else - when I do write something on my blog, it's usually not very interesting! Out-outside that!

tomslee

Phil - I only respond to comments from insiders. Nothing to say.

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