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derek

Are you familiar with eurytopy and stenotopy in ecology? In the Amazon forest, the climate is steady enough that a species can specialise in a small microclimate that does not move or change very much, and individuals in that species can be *stenotopic*, and survive without being able to move very far or adapt to a different location. They become the world's best organisms for existing in that exact spot, and another species a few miles away is the expert in another spot.

The polar tundra is different. You'd think the lower energy levels would lead to less biomass, but that doesn't seem to be much of an issue (the nearby polar oceans are famous for their fecundity). What is a bigger issue is the variation in conditions through the year. An organism that wants to survive must be *eurytopic*, either good at living in all the conditions that apply in that spot, or able to move to follow the seasons. Either option makes it sort of an expert at living in almost any place, so it isn't excluded by a neighbour who's a better local expert.

The result is that, although any given square mile in the tundra probably has as much variety as a square mile in the tropics (if not more), it's the same variety in every square mile in the tundra, and a different variety in every square mile of the forest.

This sounds like the situation you're describing in the mobile world wide web (Thomas Friedman's 'Flat World') compared with the old lumpy world of slowly-travelling information: greater diversity of goods for the mean customer, but less diversity of customers for the mean good.

derek

PS I thought you were using "Clay Shirky" as a for-instance, but I got the link to, and read, his amazing take-down a few minutes after writing the comment above :-)

tomslee

I've never heard either word. Fascinating comment, and the parallel does seem very close.

Cheers,

Tom

tomslee

It was a little random. I have mixed feelings about Shirky - a good writer and very provocative but wanders into techno-utopianism from time to time. Not in that essay though.

Mike

Interesting article. I'm a bit puzzled about the choice of recommendation algorithm used for your argument though:

* The set of 48 customers is divided into equal-sized communities, with members chosen at random so they may not be close in taste.

* The recommender function chooses an item by looking at what customers in the same community have chosen. It recommends the one most popular among others in the community.

Surely with the assumptions made this algorithm would "obviously" (in its loosest sense) lead to this result. Isn't this effectively the same algorithm used by readers of the "Top 10 Downloads" and such lists? Or have I missed something in the algorithm description?

A more likely algorithm would be based on communities of people clustered based on similarity of taste. (e.g. split taste dimensions into a grid, communities are people living in the same grid rectangle). People would then only get recommendations based on people with similar tastes.

The "downside" of such an algorithm is that existing tastes/prejudices are simply reinforced.

The simple 2-D point preference model appears to be a real limitation here. A better assumption might be that people have a number of 2-D preferences, but initially only know about one of them. ("I like 1970's rock music, but don't know (yet) that I would like Gregorian Chant").

Will a recommendation system enable me to discover my unknown preferences as well as identifying new material that conforms to my known preferences? And will such a system have any undesirable side-effects such that material which I might like is not produced?



tomslee

There is something obvious to the fact that basing a recommendation on popularity and pooling from a big crowd leads to lack of diversity. What is not obvious - to me anyway - is that this decrease in overall diversity can coexist with an increase in individual experience of diversity.

There are all kinds of recommendation systems and it is easy to design one that promotes diversity (recommend an item that few people have viewed and which you have not recommended before). But while the original paper is about recommender systems and their design, that's not really the point here. So while your questions are good ones about whether good recommender systems could help you discover new tastes, I think you are exploring topics beyond what I'm doing here.

Mike

Yes I agree that the decrease in overall diversity coexisting with an individual experience of diversity is a surprising result.

What concerns me is that if the model of personal preferences (an unchanging 2-D point) is too simplified, or the choice of recommendation algorithm too careless, then the results might not be valid outside of the model.

But as you correctly point out, what makes a good recommender system is a different issue.

Mark

I think we need to look at a weighted value of the recommendation. Customers who are closer in preference to me have a higher weight than those who are farther away in preference. Think aboutwhen trying a new restaurant. You might consider trying a place a trusted friend (or a foodie) suggested you try, but you might actually be turned off by the recommendation of some crazy idiot you have nothing in common with. I'm NOT going to select this product b/c the last guy to buy it was (-3,-3) and that's just crazy land.

I get the feeling that you're on to something here, that the internet as a whole is eliminating smaller niche products and helping to really grow special niche products with a sort of populism. However, I think that given the niche, there are still strong relationships to be made based on the quality of recommendation and the value it holds to the customer.

I also question what is happening as the internet becomes more individualized. As I'm able to start receiving recommendations from just my facebook friends, or twitter followers, or whatnot, it seems to reason that overall diversity may reduce but individual niche areas may grow larger. Not everything comes into mainstream, but the mainstream becomes a lot broader and more diverse. Thanks for the interesting models.

joXn

The basic result is similar to the work Paul Krugman got his Nobel prize for. His work on comparative advantage showed that under some simplifying assumptions, global trade can produce a situation where every individual sees an increase in product diversity while globally the number of products available shrinks.

And basically, that's what you're showing here. By providing consumers with a larger marketplace, each individual sees more diversity, but the underperformers die off.

Phil

each individual sees more diversity, but the underperformers die off

a) "Under"? "Perform"? That's a bit like saying libraries should throw out collections they've accumulated over decades because those books aren't being borrowed as often as more recent acquisitions. (Oh, wait, that's what they are doing.)

b) Someone lend me a time machine, I want to stop Huxley being conceived.

Zen Films

So if I'm someone with a niche product, how do I stop myself from dying out?
The objective it seems regards Amazon and Netflix is to get into those top 10, top 50, top 100 listings otherwise I'm going to lanquish in obscurity.

I'm guessing that I can
(a) ask my network to recommend my product - to bump me up the list and hope that new consumers recommend me - and/or
(b) I can buy my way to the top by buying "popular" products and then buying my own so that I get a "people who bought this also bought this".

I know that people who first subscribe to Netflix will first watch what's popular now, then they'll watch all the "classics" and then they'll start to look for undiscovered. I'd guess it would be the same with iTunes but as it's not an all-you-can-eat model consumers are likely to be even more selective and less willing to risk something. My point in this paragraph is how important it is to get listed as a "new arrival" because this could be the only chance a niche product gets for exposure. Unfortunately it looks like iTunes is far too selective about what it lists as a new arrival and tends towards all big titles.

Ozornik

The whole construct rests on implicit assumption that moving from 48 customers and 48 products to millions of customers/products spread over multitude of social strata will not introduce factors rendering the entire thesis incongruous.

That’s how all these macro-economists keep getting Nobels while the real economies keep veering and swerving into directions none of them can predict.

Isn’t it fascinating, for example, that above mentioned Krugman’s work is based on “some simplifying assumptions”? As we perfectly know from our daily experience, global trade indeed already produced abundance of situations where the number of products available shrank.

Zenberg

Nifty thoughts. What is the value? Are we trying to figure out how to exploit market niches, how to be more diversified or how to be more unified? As a pure search for truth, this is very provocative. As a method to figure out how to turn lead into gold or make it rain, it is probably dangerous.

mk

A few questions:

1) Why do these two scenarios have different starting points?
2) Is the recommender system's recommendation stable throughout the 75 iterations? How many iterations until it becomes stable?
3) How sensitive are your results to the particular parameters you chose for:
a) the variance of the customer's individual choice [you say they are "more likely" to choose the closest product but how much more likely?];
b) recommendations based on the single-most-popular product in the community instead of based on a sample drawn from the 10-most-popular products in the community;
c) the weight given by each individual to the recommendation of the community;
d) the use of a "global" community rather than "targeted" communities of individuals chosen based on similar tastes;
e) the number of iterations run before turning on the recommendation system?


In my opinion many of these could have a significant effect. It is unclear how meaningful an isolated result is without some parameter sensitivity analysis.

tomslee

mk - I'm not trying to produce a prediction that a particular model will always generate the kind of outcome I talk about. If you want to see it done right, see the Fleder and Hosanagar paper I link to above. But even with a fully-calibrated model, there would be the question of what real recommender system (if any) it simulated, and of course there would be lots of room for vagueness there. My point was simpler, that at the crude end of the discussion personal experience is not necessarily a guide to what's happening to the overall diversity of culture. Also, I do think that there are places on the Internet where the kind of coordinated recommendations happen - like iTunes for example, where we all see a very similar front page. But I can't get at the proprietary iTunes numbers to verify, of course.

Zenberg - I'm more interested in the shape of the culture that the Internet generates rather than business models.

Ozornik - I believe we've had the discussion at marginalrevolution, so I'll leave it there.

Thanks for the comments, everyone.

plexluthor

It seems like there are three big gaps in your experiment. The first is what was suggested by mk--if it's just the recommender that causes the different results, use the same starting positions for all products and customers, or run lots of random runs for each. Just picking two examples is not meaningful in the slightest.

Second, as several people mentioned, how can you be sure that there isn't a recommender which improves both individual and global diversity. If there were such a recommender, that would really be something, and non-random clustering seems likely to lead to one.

And finally, why do you hold constant the number of products that a customer tries over the the duration of the simulation? It's not that I watch the movie Netflix recommends instead of watching my favorite movie every weekend. If Netflix doesn't make an enticing recommendation, I don't watch any movie at all. If recommenders cause more total products to be consumed, it is very possible for both global and individual diversity to improve.

tomslee

I'm not trying to reduce the whole internet to a single 48-customer simulation. I'm trying to highlight a mechanism that can be at work when a system aggregates many different opinions into a single recommendation. And to identify mechanisms you have to use simplified models. So I can't "be sure there isn't a recommender which improves both individual and global diversity". In fact I'm sure there is. It would be easy to construct one (recommend a product that (a) has been chosen rarely, and (b) that been recommended rarely).

It is true that "If recommenders cause more total products to be consumed, it is very possible for both global and individual diversity to improve." Right now I don't see that happening - but that's an overall impression, not a result of this particular little simulation.

Fred Lybrand

"Each product is described by two attributes, with values generated according to a normal distribution. So the products are distributed on a two-dimensional grid, with a value of about -3 to +3 along each axis. Each customer is assigned a taste for each attribute, so they also are scattered about in the same space."

How do you determine the distributions here? It looks to be a normal distribution. What does it look like when you do something like a log normal distribution?

Your work here is very interesting, and I agree with the premise and results. My gut is that the application of normal distributions will continue to fade.

www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawm2f4YcQReSi90oRGYxKAvvmnXJlMoXUEI

I don't have the education to have a discussion with any of you on the algorithms or statistical distribution; but I would simply like to relay to you some personal observations.

Firstly, thank you for the article - it is a subject I have been thinking and talking about (without the science you include) for some time to all that would listen. Years ago, when I first saw recommendation systems on the net or aggregation websites (/. or digg or reddit) I innately felt that these systems would provide "gravitational" pull to certain subjects or objects and lead towards a monoculture. I still feel this way today. Sure there are a number of discovery systems being introduced but even these ones allow for weighting and as such are likely destined to become echo chambers. I suspect that these systems are creating islands of interest and at the same time decreasing mobility (from one island of interest to another).

To make a long story short: it isn't the end of niche - but the dying days of serendipity. I personally fear this. For me "serendipity" is the mechanism by which "I know how much I don't know". It helps me to be humble about my understanding of the world, which in turn allows me greater freedom to explore solutions to problems (even in deciding that a problem may not be a problem at all). Does this mean that I am less competitive than those that quickly reach for the recommended tool and execute the recommended procedure? I suppose - yes. Thus, the individual needs to make a proper decision: when to ascribe to "common knowledge" and when to allow serendipity to place you in a some random location. Has this made my life better - I don't really know... but my gut instinct is that randomness is good, and needs to be actively preserved. Thanks again for the article.

darynr

Just this morning I was thinking that the sites/blogs that I read regularly were, more and more, exchanging hat tips for finding interesting things.

then I come across the link to this article on an aggregator that I visit somewhat regularly. Of course they gave a hat tip to a blogger that I read somewhat regularly.

Bertil

Your result is very interesting (I already teach that paper in class) but avoids two essentials elements :

* What reduces global diversity is the existence of a common institution, not "the Internet". In many coutries (USA excluded) National News has been so important that any diversity offered by Web sites appeared as a new and welcome departure from monoculture; more generally, it's the distribution of news sources off- and on-line that you need to compare (and how connected they are).

* Algorithms offer the possibility to decide whether to encourage niche or global success: Amazon makes more money, because more click-through, by suggesting Harry Potter every time, but they don't; it leverages their uniqueness and encourages reader's curiosity. Physical insitutions have the same recommendation for everyone, and cannot offer diversity in any other way then by being many.

I'll put more details on my blog soon: twocroissants.wordpress.com

Kevin Shaum

It seems like this is actually an answer to those who claim that the Internet will lead to an atomization of culture, with everyone following their own narrow and insular areas of interest. This suggests that, given a choice and the information to make that choice, people will tend on their own to gather around a common cultural experience.

Ben Hyde

What a very nice little dish pan model <http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/dishpan.html>! I suspect that you can show that buyer satisfaction is reduced by the arrival of this recommending intermediary as well.

Of course buyer preferences product features are very messy. Buyers are usually very poor at knowing their own preferences. Their preferences are extremely pliable. If they do they can't map them into the nomenclature of the seller. It's part of the sales/shopping problem to shape the consensus that this exactly what your really wanted.

I love how it helps me think about the buyer-product matching problem. It is no surprise that any intermediary would effect the outcomes - for better and worse. The effect here is that the recommendation system get's jammed by the products near the avg. of the distribution; and then get's swept up in a network effect.

A recommendation system that was actually modeling the buyer and product place in the feature space might temper that somewhat. But that's obviously extremely hard.

toto

Really interesting post and really interesting comment by Derek.

So for a given event, all the newspapers take the exactly same set of "stenotopic" pictures to illustrate their article even if 100s are available (Except "The big picture" http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/ ).

tomslee

I have heard that the Apple AppStore suffers hugely from this problem of getting on the front page. And I agree with your point about subscription models versus pay-by-the-piece - I suspect it makes a big difference.

Films and books and tunes are all very different though, so I don't know how you make progress with a particular case - it's the same struggle it's always been - but there's still always a chance.

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