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Onnik Krikorian

You know, I can't help but think that this perpetual argument is getting more and more pedantic on both sides. On the one hand, there are those who overestimate the use of new tools and mediums, and on the other, those who underestimate them.

Yet, in fact, they are just that.

They are simply tools which can be used correctly or incorrectly, for good and for bad. In fact, like the Internet itself, which can be used as easily by nationalists, pedophiles and fanatics, as well as those wanting to promote change.

And yes, they can be used to prevent it too, but let's ask ourselves this. Is the world freer in terms of communication and access to information because of the Internet, or less free?

Meanwhile, it is about who is using those tools with a proper strategy and a whole range of other tactics, including the traditional, which could stand to benefit. Ultimately, they could help shift the balance if there is a critical mass as well.

I also think that there is too much narrow focus on particular examples.

So, okay, we can look at Moldova and Iran until we're blue in the face, and we'll likely continue to argue about these examples for much longer, but those same tools can be used for other purposes not highlighted by either case example.

What about the use of Skype to circumvent monitored telephone calls, for example? Or Facebook to overcome negative stereotypes between two opposing sides in an ethnic conflict when the media does everything to portray the other as the "enemy?"

Your point about developing trust could particularly be mentioned here. It is possible to use Facebook for this purpose if it is done properly and with all the failings and pitfalls of social networking sites kept in mind.

Or blogs, and particularly social networking sites, which can and do allow for discussion between groups who otherwise can't meet because of geographical situation or, more likely, closed borders and blocked telephone lines?

Or what about the regions of impoverished countries where there is no established or developed nationwide media? Is new and social media, along with a vast array of free, cheap and mobile tools, a solution if used properly? Surely it is.

Basically, both sides have some valid arguments at the end of the day, but like almost everything, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Meanwhile, these new online tools are not the answer to any problem.

But neither are the traditional methods of protest, and especially if not organized correctly. There are far too many other factors involved.

However, like the printing press, or the desktop computer, or a theatrical performance as you mention above, or any development in the area of communication throughout history, they are something that can be used as part of something larger.

Basically, it's actually about who uses them, when they use them, how they use them, and whether in appropiate combination with other existing tools and campaign strategies. It is ultimately up to the people using them.

Onnik Krikorian

And I most definitely think that it could be argued that in the case of Iran, even though there is disinformation going out as well, we'd be really in the dark without these new tools.

So, I'd argue that information is always the problem. Just that in the example of Czechoslovakia that you give, those methods were used to overcome the problem and get the message out. In today's world, however, new methods are being used as well.

Polly Jones

I find blogging, Facebook and Twitter to be useful tools or mechanisms to connect with like-minded individuals...Unfortunately, as you've pointed out on other parts of your site, blogging is rarely used to engage people in discussion or offer new perspectives; it often looks like wannabe journalists churning out already-reported-news. I know that Facebook is good for organizing rallies but sometimes it feels as though we're joining an event, showing up at rallies, but not building a movement.

RAD

Alice looked round her in great surprise. `Why, I do believe we've been under this tree the whole time! Everything's just as it was!'

`Of course it is,' said the Queen, `what would you have it?'

`Well, in our country,' said Alice, still panting a little, `you'd generally get to somewhere else -- if you ran very fast for a long time, as we've been doing.'

`A slow sort of country!' said the Queen. `Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place.

If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!'


Through The Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll

Onnik Krikorian

Polly, depends on the situation and also, in some countries it is an excellent tool to create that movement of like-minded individuals, especially for those countries often with some of those people outside of the country and forming their own important networks externally for spreading the information to the international media, protesting outside Embassies etc.

Like it or not, there are very few examples of movements who succeed only because their cause is just. In many cases, they are reliant on international attention.

Basically, I don't think this is a black and white argument. Not for any of it, including the likelihood of truly mass movements or traditional methods of protest succeeding. It's a combination of factors, some of them very complex and specific to the time, location and people involved. Anyway, if we're going to talk about photocopiers in Czechoslovakia it has to be said that this perhaps was the Internet of the time.

In authoritarian countries, there is always a problem with information. The Internet, blogs, Twitter, Facebook and a whole lot more are simply tools to change that situation, just as the printing press, photocopiers, and probably the pen and paper (i.e. literacy) has also been in history. In Armenia, for example, blogs were used to spread samizdat which were then printed off traditionally for those without access.

However, I agree that we're getting too carried away with these new developments.

Nevertheless, they have allowed people to do many things quicker and spread it more widely than at any time before. It's always been about information. If it wasn't then there wouldn't be such movements pushing for change. These are just new ways of doing the same as is mentioned for Czechoslovakia. Simply, the tools and methods have changed or been added to. Ultimately, however, it depends on who are using them, how, when, why and against who.

tomslee

Yes, there are many constructive things we can do with digital tools and I agree that, seen as tools, they are part of something larger. And I very much like your idea about reaching across divides: sometimes Canadian software professionals even meet Armenian journalists who they would never understand otherwise. But although there will be many cases where tools are used to good effect, there is a difference between what individuals do and what the net effect is, and the net effect may be more polarizing as people live inside the self-selected environment that Sunstein called the Daily Me. But I agree digital tools make communication more free, but perhaps not more equal.

tomslee

I've tended to avoid Facebook groups, but there can definitely be a cycle where a group that takes off gets media attention and that leads to more online interest - the Susan Boyle effect in politics perhaps. And I did join the no-prorogue group in the end. It will be interesting to see what comes of it.

tomslee

I remember hearing a talk in the mid-80s by the Soviet feminist dissident Tatyana Mamonova who was living in exile. She said that in Russia it was difficult to speak, but if you could then everyone wanted to hear what you had to say; in the US it was easy to speak, but no one was interested in listening.

Robert

Important and useful discussion of how to identify democratic and participatory affordances of new communication tools while also being mindful of technological determinist impulses. I really like the human aspect both Krikorian and Tomslee touch on in their initial posts; contextualizing uses of technology within particularl historical moments and political contexts, and factoring the human elements of trust, skill, creativity, and initiative.

Doug K

like poetry in the age of Creative Writing schools - lots of writers, few readers.

To the main post: I am reminded of George Gilder, Esther Dyson et al proclaiming "The Overthrow of Matter" in the early 90s, a similar kind of foolish techno-utopianism. My experience in what used to be called electronic warfare tells me that free expression on the web can be choked off just as easily as speech - cf the Great Firewall of China for one sample.

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