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tony nguyen

Well said...most of Google's problems of the future will be political and legal.

RAD

Tom, I think you are making the assumption that Google is trying to maximize rent seeking. You argue that they are more like a warlord who acts to sustain the rent over a long period of time vs. a bandit who tries to capture as much as possible during a single event.

How can Google make less money with their AdWords system (the main cash cow for their business)? Since AdWords uses an auction mechanism to set prices I don't see how they can change the incoming cash flow. They only thing they can change is their expenses.

I'd argue that the rationale behind their behavior is one of identity politics. Everything Google does outside of its core business is about self/group identity. They see themselves as an alternative to Microsoft that is NOT evil. They can hire like-minded engineers and pay them to work on projects that have nothing to do with Search/AdWords because they see themselves as people who solve hard problems better than other people/groups.

As long as they have an abundance of cash coming in Google can self indulge in projects that promote their own self/group identity. This is why newspaper barons hired expensive photo journalists (a discussion from long ago). They had an abundance of cash and they wanted to be the type of newspaper that had top notch photo journalism. It was only when cashflow was a serious issue that they took a long hard look at whether photo journalism was aligned with their core business. Until then having photo journalists on staff was a matter of self/group identity.

tomslee

Well that's a bunch of stuff that never occurred to me.

I like the identity politics argument. There's the hard-headed Eric Schmidt side of the business and then there's the geeky Larry&Sergei side, and the newspapers make a good precedent. But I think that while it explains some things, it's difficult to see how to hide the Eric side from the geeks, and then some engineers promoting open source are in for a whole lot of dissonance.

The Register has a set of posts over the last couple of years on how Google can play off "ad quality" against revenue on AdWords. Here is one from a while ago:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/18/when_google_does_evil/.
And here is one that's bright and shiny new:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/15/google_bans_thirty_thousand_from_adwords/

Viktor-haag

When Schmidt says "if you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place", he captures the argument, bringing it to his side of the fence, while nicely effacing the real point of the question in the first place. It's not that I'm doing something that I don't want anyone to know about, Mr Schmidt; it's that I might be wanting to do something that I don't want everyone to know about; it seems to me that it's on this fine distinction between public and semi-private that the privacy issues really balance. With the users-as-the-product business model you set out, Tom, it's in Google's best interest to push that line as far towards "everyone" as possible: to maximize revenue, full disclosure around the products is most profitable. But, as your warlord dilemma points out, it's important that Google bring the products to a willing state of nakedness: the last thing Google can afford is for the product to vanish entirely -- better a part of something than no thing at all.

tomslee

Well I guess sharing rather than privacy is a social norm that has evolved over time anyway, isn't it?

Your distinction between the anyone/everyone ideas of privacy is interesting. I can see how within Facebook it is possible to provide that granularity so that your friends see the pictures from the party but your boss doesn't, but I wonder if there are ways to do that in the context of a search engine? I can't think of a way, which is maybe why Schmidt is pushing towards the all rather than the nothing.

RAD

I read somewhere that Ronald Reagan (sorry Tom) preferred appearing in front of television cameras vs. the still cameras of photojournalists. His rationale was that still photographs can capture almost any expression/emotion (think blinking and expressions while speaking) and allow newspapers to pick and choose how they will present the overall mood of an event. A single still shot representing an instant in time can misrepresent the mood while television/video has less manipulation potential.

I think we sometimes treat words or interesting facts the same way as still photos in journalism. We pick and choose snippets and treat them like they are representative of a larger whole.

I'd like to give Eric Schmidt the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his remark about privacy. I'm guessing that he was trying to warn people about being careful online and his words didn't come out right. I am certainly thankful that my spoken words are not captured and later scrutinized for possible meaning.

The same holds true about The Register's articles about Google's apparent manipulation of the AdWords system to meet specific revenue goals. Its easy to read into one time changes as representative of profit mongering and customer manipulation but the trend has to hold true over time.

tomslee

I agree with you about the photos. Here's a current one, in case you haven't seen it: http://the-reaction.blogspot.com/2010/01/obama-biden-photo-idiotically.html. So I guess I have to agree about the choice of words issue too. Time will tell....

tomslee

When Typepad links URLs it includes punctuation at the end. Silly Typepad.

http://the-reaction.blogspot.com/2010/01/obama-biden-photo-idiotically.html

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