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Sunny Kalsi

The way I see it, despite the fact that a very small population holds the attention of most citizens, the citizens (generally) can change this at the drop of a hat. If, for example, Cory Doctorow was found to be a child molestor, people might just unsubscribe and all of his influence is gone just like that. The same effect is true of, say Google's search, where a clearly better search engine could usurp it just like that (although Google are now using different tricks to keep you on their engine). This is a different (but probably related) concept to the "Equipotentiality" you mention, it's just that for the citizens, another alternative is right there if you really want it, which means that the few big players couldn't dare set a foot wrong.

There's also certain social effects which cause some of the creator community to get attention. For example, a local scandal of TV Show "Good Game" in Australia caused many hits on my blog (at http://blog.quaddmg.com/2009/11/03/a-hex-on-us-all) and I'm sure Adrian at http://dowzocalypse.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/the-abc-axing-junglist-for-dummies-pt2/ got many hits. This took place mostly through conversations on Twitter and community outcry. Similarly, when a friend talked about a very popular blogger (http://girtby.net/archives/2008/05/22/blogging-horror/) he got a lot of attention, including from the mentioned blogger. Point is, the fact that very few people get all the traffic may make them all the money, but they don't hold all the power.

The kinds of FUD that get spread around can get also cleared up very quickly. I've had many times when a popular blogger has said something which is incorrect, and my friends will eventually link a far less popular blogger who sets the record straight.

Similar but different things have also happened, for example, with talk of the American Spy drones having no encryption on their feeds, everyone laughing at how silly that was, having political action, then having security expert Bruce Schneier set the record straight (http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/intercepting_pr.html). The issues and conversation don't happen on a single website (except maybe technorati?), but they do happen to a collective consciousness. People you know who know people who read some blogs will link you when something unexpected happens to the story. Other than that, it's business as usual for the popular blogs. Basically, I don't know what kinds of statistics are present in Hindman's books, but maybe they need to be different?

In any case, the story is not so simple for either the "revolution" side nor the "business as usual" side.

tomslee

Sunny - I don't generally agree with the "just a click away" picture of competition, mainly because of the huge and growing fixed costs of setting up a competitor to Google/Amazon and so on. Large fixed costs mean limited competition and winner-takes-all. But for blogs - and particularly political blogs - the position is, I agree, different for now anyway, although the growing professionalism and institutionalization of the top blogs may make such competition difficult.

Hindman does directly tackle the trickle-up influence by looking at the role of blogging in the 2004 US election. He finds that the top political blogs are almost uniformly drawn from "elites of one sort or another" - lawyers, professors, journalists, senior business people.

The kind of unexpected fact-checking from an expert with no normal media access is probably the best thing about political blogs. But while that environment is great, but it is usually the experts who contribute (Juan Cole on Iraq and Afghanistan for example) and Hindman shows that the leading bloggers come from a narrower and more elite set of backgrounds than even op-ed contributors to major national (US) papers. I wonder if the discussion around other blogs is more like a chat over beers among friends than like an alternative media.

As you say, the story is not so simple. It's clear that blogs are different to cellulose journalism and that there are many engaging things about them, but not so clear that it provides broader access to what you call the "collective consciousness".

Sunny Kalsi

I completely agree with the idea that competing with a large web application is not easy, but this is a problem with straight-out capitalism. Being online simply reduces one of the costs. If I wanted to start a restaurant it would cost a lot of money. If I wanted to start an online restaurant it would be... slightly cheaper? There are also other significant problems with online applications such as vendor lock-in, which still happens online, and in a way it's far more pervasive since these apps are growing very quickly compared to ye olde applications.

I often think the government needs to provide, say, a "reference implementation" business which is quick and cheap to copy. The idea comes from companies such as Nvidia who, when they produce a new GPU, will also provide a reference chipset on a board for companies to get started. Many companies will almost completely use that chipset and compete on price, others will improve layout and component quality, etc.

I think that the "beer among friends" is an apt analogy, except that there's a very good shorthand for discussing issues: a URL, as well as the concept that, yeah you're having beer with friends, but each of your friends is having beer with other friends as well as you.

I think I don't really have data to support my "collective consciousness" theory beyond the "six degrees of separation" idea, that when I click, for example "share" on google reader, it only takes 6 other people clicking "share" on my item for it to reach Kevin Bacon. This is something you'll see more often in Twitter and such. Often trending topics start as the result of a few big names, but sometimes they are more organic. The advantage of something like Twitter here vs something like Facebook is the directionality of content. I think a good "hub" of knowledge (like, say, ZeFrank) has (and often adequately fulfils) the responsibility of listening to a lot of other people, and collating data.

In any case, I believe what you say about the reviews is correct, however I think there really needs to be a strong measurement of what's really going on here, what effects are at play, and what features in particular technologies cause those effects.

Michel Bauwens

I don't think the author above has a clear understanding of what is meant by equipotentiality, which does not at all refer to how it is used here above, so please go here at http://p2pfoundation.net/Equipotentiality for a more extended treatment,

Michel

tomslee

Of course, my sentence was not exactly rigorous because equipotentiality is not central to Hindman's book, it was simply used as an alternative definition of what "democratization" may mean in online politics. And the two references that used it were talking about blogging as much as anything, and it's not clear that blogging is a project in the same way the p2pfoundation article discusses.

But my definition was "a fancy word for speculations about how peer-to-peer networks function: no one said that democratization means a wider set of voices are heard, simply that anyone can potentially reach an audience of millions, and if only a few do, well good for them". And the p2pfoundation article says this:

everyone can potentially cooperate in a project, that no authority can pre-judge the ability to cooperate, but that the quality of cooperation is then judged by the community of peers

So as applied to blogging, "everyone can potentially cooperate" vs my "anyone can potentially reach an audience of millions" is pretty much the same thing.

And "the quality of cooperation it then judged by the community of peers" is difficult to discuss without a judging mechanism. If blogging does meet this criterion, then Hindman's data shows that the "anti-credentialism" of peer-to-peer projects has the same outcome as the "credentialism" of traditional media. So I'm afraid I'll stick with my definition, snarky though it was.

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