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Kevin Donovan

Nice post, Tom. You might like to check out this post, specifically the discussion of the case from India: https://gurstein.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/open-data-empowering-the-empowered-or-effective-data-use-for-everyone/

As to the licensing idea, I'd like to see this played out more extensively. I'm so sure what you briefly suggest is nuanced enough, but instead perhaps the distinction shouldn't be commercial vs. non-commercial but some stipulations (such as privacy, data portability, etc.) that could seek to limit the ills of private power without blocking all profit.

tomslee

Thanks Kevin. Michael Gurstein's post is a good one; a similar point is made by Kentaro Toyama in his recent talk on myths of ITC4Development http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_mTwm5m8DM (see Myth 1 at 8 minutes).

I had originally thought I'd go through four problems, of which the others would be privacy, the fact that internet access is not democratizing (your point), and ignoring the fact that information is often not the bottleneck in improving government services. But then it got late, and the post is long enough.

I've been enjoying your blog - a balanced and open-minded point of view on technology matters makes a nice contrast to many commentators (me included, too often).

tomslee

Oh yes, and I agree that the licensing question needs more thought than I could give it. I'm sure there are quite a few options, and putting limits on specific uses may well be a good way to go.

Erik

I think your criticism of microfinance and, generally, government "2.0" is correct.

But regarding commercial/non-commercial use, I think this is a mistake. In fact, this is what a lot of commercial enterprises do when releasing software, and at times data. It is made free for non-commercial/educational use, so that others may not compete.

Take free/open-source software, which we have a lot of experience with. The Free Software Foundation's definition of free, and the Open Source Initiative's definition of open source both require a license NOT to preclude use, e.g. for commercial purposes. Non-commercial use is vague and very restrictive. And it forbids use that perhaps it shouldn't, e.g. use by individuals for a commercial purpose, use by a small collective enterprise for a commercial purpose, etc.

What is, I think, useful, is the concept that the free software community calls "copyleft" and Creative Commons calls "share alike". What this concept means is that if you enhance the software, or re-use the work in some way, you must release your changes under the same license. This keeps the work freely available and means that, even if the changes made were for commercial purposes, others can use those changes for whatever purpose they like.

Finally, in the U.S. at least the point is probably moot; generally government data, publications, etc. that are created by the federal government are public domain, and this is not going to change.

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Rajan Alexander

For Micro-Finance survival, they need to muzzle their Spin Doctors and listen more to their High Priest

A string of suicides in Andhra Pradesh that put micro-finance under the spotlight, triggered a backlash because of which, MFIs found themselves reduced to fighting for their basic survival. No surprise here to find a variety of spin-doctors functioning as their apologists, fending off and neutralising any criticism that the industry faces currently, almost oblivion to the fact their support is to a slow sinking Titanic. Two of the most significant spins in this debate are those related to suicides and interest rate. In this post, we bust these spins.

"I believe in Schumpeterian creative destruction. Its time has come. The present MFI model has to go.... It wasn't just about giving loans. It was also about creating livelihood mechanisms, which would build capacity among the poor to repay their loans easily, and leave them better off than before"

This is Economic Times quoting Vijay Mahajan, considered the high priest of Indian microfinance suggesting that either MFIs change their business models or go bust.

Read more: http://devconsultgroup.blogspot.com/2010/11/for-micro-finance-survival-they-need-to.html

tomslee

Good points. I'm not sure the analogy between open source code and data goes so far. As I'm sure you know, it is quite common for photos and other creative works to be placed under a non-commercial license. I do agree the word "non-commercial" is vague though - at least, I haven't seen Creative Commons define it clearly.

The open data initiatives are going beyond publications, and there have been issues with things like lists of employee names and dates of birth (Seattle had to release these to a TV station), which have given rise to concern. Are these public domain? Not sure. Maybe limiting re-use in some way would help address these isses.

tomslee

Thanks Rajan. Interesting posts.

Craig Thomler

Sharealike is a good start however can be circumvented via advertising inclusion. NC in Creative Commons is a fairly balanced approach to Non Commercial use and may cover the bases better.

Also note that Gov 2.0 does not mean open data alone, it includes the application of Web 2.0 tools and techniques to public governance practices, which also has wide application.

Cheers

Craig

RAD

Hey I like your idea about the open license, Tom. Like Erik, I don't think the "non-commercial" part is helpful but a copyleft GPL (Affero to get around the network service loophole) license would be a great fit for public data. I've never thought about Open Source licenses applying to data. It makes a great deal of sense, and I'm not a fan of Stallman and copyleft in general.

It makes sense for commercial data sets too. OpenData 2.0 :-)

Erik

Under US copyright "facts" are public domain. There is a well-known case having to do with the phone book, which was judged to be public domain. What the difference is between this &, e.g., maps is not entirely clear to me.

I didn't mean to imply that there is necessary an analog between software & data. Each of these communities will need to work out what "open" or "free" means to them. For instance, while I think it would be ridiculous to release software under a "no-derivatives" license, releasing a novel under a no-derivatives license would make sense to me.

I do think a critique of these initiatives would be useful. It is absurd to think that releasing government data is going to make a huge difference in the way governments act. Certainly reliable information about government crimes, malfeasance, etc. is important, it may even be necessary, but it is not sufficient to make significant changes.

tomslee

Yes, there are a lot of commercial data sets that I would love to see. It would be great to get a look at real sales figures for Amazon or iTunes, but pigs will fly before that happens.

tomslee

Thanks for clarifying about Gov 2.0. You don't have a reference to Creative Commons' definition of NC do you? I have not been able to find one.

tomslee

And of course reliable information about government crimes is not going to be released anyway, not matter what open data directives are handed out.

Erik

Do you consider this a definition? It seems vague to me, but I guess it works.

You may not exercise any of the rights granted to You in Section 3 above in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation.

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/legalcode

tomslee

It seems that CC did a report on how people interpret that phrase you quote last year: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/17127.

One commentator summarizes the report this way:

To summarize, the current not-very-debatable meaning of the non-commercial clause in CC licenses is:

1) ok for personal use
2) ok for coursework at a non-tuition university
3) probably ok for a charity/non-commercial organization

Fazal Majid

Another factor to consider is that "open access" to public information does not necessarily mean it is equally open to all social groups as a practical matter, and in fact acts to the detriment of the poor:

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/when_open_data_is_bad.php

tomslee

I agree completely.

There is a lot of attention given to "Open311" services (http://open311.org/), which let citizens report non-emergency issues to local government. The archetypal case is potholes that need fixing. Personally I doubt that information is the bottleneck here. There is no group of city workers sitting round waiting for a call about a pothole so they can go out and fix it.

If these services come into widespread use, my guess is that they will skew services towards neighbourhoods where people report most frequently, which will be the smartphone-owning home-owning better-off neighbourhoods.

Kevin Donovan

Thanks, Tom. I wish I had more time to write, but I'm glad you've started doing so more frequently since I learn a lot from each post.

Sunny Kalsi

I'm not sure I understand your argument exactly. Is it basically:


  • The data is open, which is good, except

  • This will encourage governments to be lazy and privatise crucial services, which would be fine, except

  • private companies are after money, which is fine, but

  • one day they will EFF you in the AY to get your money.

If that's the argument, I have two problems with this:

  • Governments have never needed the excuse of open data to needlessly privatise crucial services. Worse, they often leave a giant government monopoly intact, which is completely inept except for EFFING you in the AY. The new CEO will come in and cut spending to the point that you get EFFed without even getting a service. At least if a service was created as a result of open data, it would not be a de facto monopoly.
  • Private enterprise shouldn't be out to screw people. Sometimes it does but this appears to come from a cultural aberration of imperial rule -- in short, people collectively choose to get EFFed in the AY, so the companies which do the EFFing survive, and the non-EFFing companies die out. I think it's also really just bad contract law that allows most businesses to screw people. That and out-and-out con jobs (which ought to get prosecuted). As an example, the burden of repayment should always be on the lender -- that is, you can't force the borrower to repay a loan. Secondly, only certain specific kinds of contract should be allowed, and they should be printed on cards with art, like some sort of Magic: The Gathering but for contracts.

Incidentally, nothing against anyone who actually enjoys getting effed in the ay.

tomslee

Sunny: obviously you are right that privatization of government services is nothing new. What bothers me here is that the campaign for privatization (to oversimplify) is cloaked in a rhetoric of radical openness and power-to-the-people populism. I don't like lefty language being used for what may be right-wing ends.

I do like the point that when open data services get created, competition may help avoid the public getting effed in the ay as you so daintily put it. But where does this Magic Card contract thing come from????

Sunny Kalsi

I've never really understood "left" and "right". The "right" want the government out of the way, but they want to be in the way when it comes to, say, gay marriage. OTOH, the "left" wants equality for all, but will gladly entrench monopolies and advantage the wealthy. So given that "left" and "right" mean nothing to me, here's my attempt at a response:

I sincerely do not believe that open data is a "campaign for privatisation". It may be happening given the circumstances, given game theory, but I don't think anyone out there is saying "great, now there's open data, we can use it as an excuse to privatise stuff" -- and that's despite what people are saying regarding private enterprise picking up the slack that the government won't.

There's nothing inherently wrong with empowering a business with data. Giving it away for free might enable smaller players to compete with the entrenched businesses. If this data weren't free, it's not as if MegaCo wouldn't buy it. It may even prefer that, because TinyGuys won't be able to afford the license. You could make a proviso for non-commercial use, but People developing applications also have to eat.

While you don't agree that Erik's comment regarding Open Source applies here, there have been various debates about whether to make code (effectively) "non-commercial", or attribution only. The problem with making code non-commercial only, is that it doesn't see nearly as much activity as the attribution style licensing. This is because Open Source is often used (quite heavily) by commercial companies, and they'll need to add a feature here, or fix a bug there. It also evens the playing field: It allows smaller companies to compete with the entrenched players like IBM and the like. I have a feeling open data is in the same boat.

The idea behind Magic is that you have a very simple rule set on top of which there are "exceptions" (which is what's written on a particular card). So a contract would basically be a set of Magic Card (equivalents) where the government has basically checked the fairness of each individual card. This allows a business to add cards (thus allowing for a number of options for a contract), but the cards are written in a way that a lay-person can understand them (with colors and other such means, for example "green" for a "good clause" and "red" for a "bad clause") and can build an understanding of the contract through seeing the same sort of "patterns" over and over again.

In fact, I was silly not to refer to the Creative Commons licenses, where the license is spelled out using icons and other plain language, and you can mix-and-match the icons. All "contracts" (liabilities) should be like that. I think this would preclude a business from damaging individuals, thus rendering your whole argument void (well, in this article, not the follow-up, which makes total sense).

tomslee

I don't really think that the Open Government people are out there twirling their moustaches and planning to divert all this goodwill to mischievous ends. I do think they don't see a conflict between profit and social good - or even a tension in some cases - and I do. So it comes down to a political position as much as anything.

And I suspect you are right about Open Source. The GPL doesn't get rid of commercial use, of course, but it does limit it as a side effect. I wonder if a "GPL-data" license - requiring any data it is combined with to be released under the same license - may have the same kind of viral effect?

Graham Higgins

(I didn't know you'd started blogging again, Tom. It's taken me all evening just to catch up.)

You write: "There are real differences between profit-seeking and not-for-profit groups, and they must be kept in mind."

Somewhere in my catching up I think I came across a post in which you expand a little on the distinctions between the two but I can't remember exactly where - maybe I just hallucinated it out of the pattern of weft and woof of your posts. Whatever, if you've ever a yen to explore it, it'd be nice to see a distillation of those real differences.

By way of a weak quid pro quo, the commercialisation would appear to be already under way in the form of care home and schools chooser "apps" based on HMG's open data releases:

http://data.gov.uk/search/apachesolr_search/?filters=type%3Aapps&solrsort=sort_title%20asc

There's a dozen pages of listings of "apps", the vast majority of which would seem to be not-(intended)-for-profit but there does appear to be the beginnings of a separation between the n-f-p and the p-s in terms of chosen domain (care homes, schools, home-buying) - i.e. the low-hanging fruit is already being commercially harvested and it's difficult to see a rationale that would prompt a subsequent n-f-p entry into what are already commercially-dominated areas.

Poking around behind the scenes of some the listed commercial "apps" suggests that the big boys haven't arrived yet (or don't see enough mileage in it). There has been some speculation (perhaps just perennial optimism) that there may be significant business opportunities in the analysis and presentation of open data, given the increasing emphasis on providing "consumer choice". There's certainly room for improvement: I'm picking my way through an analysis of the metadata available for the 4,600 datasets and it's not pretty.

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Great post.

We're talking about privatizing services that the government does not currently provide. Surely this distinction is critical in evaluating the value of these new private services?

That said, I think idea of a two tier license with non-commercial and profit-seeking treated separately (with a generous free license for small businesses or new applications) is pretty great. It's fair, and more sustainable than the alternatives.

Full disclosure: my nonprofit employer, Global Integrity, is funded by the Omidyar Network, mentioned in the post. Small point to consider: most (all?) of the support provided by ON's governance program has indeed been grants to 501c3 nonprofits or their overseas equivalents.

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