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mtraven

Aren't you making a similar mistake as the one you are pointing out in others? That is, while Twitter is architecturally centralized, the uses to which it is put are decentralized. Everyone on it is a microbroadcaster, communitities of communication are emergenet within the total collection of twitterers, etc. You could imagine (and maybe somebody will build) a version of Twitter that is architecturally decentralized, but that won't make much difference to a user. It *does* make a difference, of course, when government or other forces want to impose some kind of control.

Agree with your overall point that talking about "social media" as one undiffentiated lump is kinda stupid.

Brad Fallon

I find it rather vague to point out and gave up the term social media. Such is your opinion and I find it too explicit to consider that such term would mean a lot of things connected to the internet world. It was nice reading your post anyways, thanks for this very nice input of thoughts. Keep it up.

tomslee

You mean that I'm making architecture/organization analogies too? I guess so, but there is at least a mechanism - Twitter Inc. is a commercial body that laws, regulations and investors can and will pressure, and it would be naive to think that those pressures are insignificant. Especially, as you point out, when things get politically charged.

I'm not convinced that a decentralized Twitter would work, although I'd love to see it. Gnutella didn't really replace Napster and Diaspora has been less than wildly successful so far.

Erik Hetzner

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StatusNet ?

Architecture does matter. Imagine that instead of email, we all had to sign up at mail.com. mail.com would keep all your email, and in order to send a message to somebody, they would need to sign up at mail.com too. Imagine the possibilities when the government of China wants to read somebodies mail (actually, you don't need to, because this basically happened with Yahoo).

tomslee

I haven't really looked at identi.ca. I should - thanks for the reminder.

And yes, I agree architecture does matter. My main point above was meant to be that misplaced architectural analogies are misplaced.

Erik Hetzner

I was really replying to mtraven (a relative of B. Traven?). I agree with you that, (in my words) it doesn't matter that the architecture of the network is decentralized if everybody communicates through a central mechanism.

Sunny Kalsi

Well, there's Identica, and I believe the idea here is that different identica instances can talk to one another. Moreover it works alongside Twitter. While Diaspora and Gnutella haven't been successful, this may be because there hasn't been a chilling effect in the competing services -- When Amazon took Wikileaks off their cloud, a lot of people got concerned about cloud computing as a whole. Similarly, if Twitter put themselves into a position of mistrust, people would likely move over to a service like Identica.

mtraven

I guess my point is that you can have decentralized use of a centralized system (Twitter) which is built on top of a decentralized network (the Internet). Architecture is complex, and the interaction of architecture and social systems and policy is even more complex.

No relative, just a kindred spirit.

iSolution

Problem is teenage addiction, without teenagers looking for stuff to do while on:School, Bus, hanging with friends in home.
Social media would be useless, they are their main major users, while grown ups just try to catch with their families, and rarely visit the social medias.

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